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 The Mythology Project, Where were mash mythology with mythos!
Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 6 2015, 04:46 PM
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The Mythology Project is an idea i've had for a while now. basically the premise is that there a blog that anyone can contribute to, with mythological stories with fear mythos elements added in.

The Over all story weaving all the mythologies together is that The Fears are only the latest in a long line of iterations of the same beings, changing throughout history. Each mythologies gods are actually the fears/other eldritch horrors, but only slightly different, each have common characteristics of both the "vanilla" fears and there cytological counterparts bla bla bla you get the idea.

Now, each mythological setting will occur in chronological order, which means we start with the earliest mythology, then make are way to the present. So now i have a problem: which mythology is the earliest we know about?
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Hexillith
 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 04:50 AM
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Pretty cool idea. I've got lots of stuff on my hands right now, though, so I don't have time to write one.

As for the earliest known myths... Well, the Sumerian/Babylonian civilization was the oldest, right? Or maybe the Indus Valley civilization?

EDIT: According to Google, the Egyptian, Yellow River (in China), and Olmec (in Mexico) civilizations also started very early. And a bunch of others. I'd just go with whichever you think is a good starting point.

*resists urge to start an Inanna/Red Cap story that they can't possibly finish in a timely manner*


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 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE (Hexillith @ Mar 7 2015, 04:50 AM)
As for the earliest known myths... Well, the Sumerian/Babylonian civilization was the oldest, right? Or maybe the Indus Valley civilization


Earlier than that.

However, the Indus Valley is the first we've got writing about...

...But Gilgamesh (which is Sumerian) is the one that people 'recognize' as such because it's the core of a lot of the Western mono mythology.

I'd also suggest proper looking into non-Western framed mythologies, as they have existed for much longer than their areas have writing.

(I'd actually say that anyone who participates reads "The Golden Bough" -which is available for free from Project Gutenberg- as it discusses structure of mythology...and the fact that it's really only the players that change because the structure is the same)


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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (TeaTimeTraitor @ Mar 7 2015, 07:37 AM)


Earlier than that.

However, the Indus Valley is the first we've got writing about...

...But Gilgamesh (which is Sumerian) is the one that people 'recognize' as such because it's the core of a lot of the Western mono mythology.

I'd also suggest proper looking into non-Western framed mythologies, as they have existed for much longer than their areas have writing.

(I'd actually say that anyone who participates reads "The Golden Bough" -which is available for free from Project Gutenberg- as it discusses structure of mythology...and the fact that it's really only the players that change because the structure is the same)


Good point. I've been looking online for the answer, but of chose, the internet is stupid, so i couldn't find anything, so ill be looking to the books.

But again there's a problem: we have to consider when the myths acully take place/were made up: (for example) One could argue that the Norse myths are pretty early due to the fact that they were formulated towards the end of the ice age (or so ive herd.)

Here's the blog (and Im sorry for using Abrahamic themes in the prologue please don't kill me): http://mythologiesoftheeldritchandwonderful.blogspot.com/
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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 03:12 PM
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This is so bloody hard. WHY CANT I FIND THIS ONE SIMPLE FACT?!!?!?!?

*calms down* i think the answer lies in the first civilization, which would be a tie between the Indus river valley, Mesopotamia, and/or Africa (not Egypt), and Prehistoric religion is ever earlier.

We don't really know much about the Indus, and even less about prehistoric...ghaaa.
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 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Dr0Shadow @ Mar 7 2015, 03:12 PM)
This is so bloody hard. WHY CANT I FIND THIS ONE SIMPLE FACT?!!?!?!?

*calms down* i think the answer lies in the first civilization, which would be a tie between the Indus river valley, Mesopotamia, and/or Africa (not Egypt), and Prehistoric religion is ever earlier.

We don't really know much about the Indus, and even less about prehistoric...ghaaa.


Myths are myths. They take place in the time and surrounds of mythology, but interact with our viewed reality...

So, a brief culture lecture 101, because I'm feeling infodumpy and this is my area of study!

Cultures occurred concurrently and overlap...and are generally messy and not as linear as you may think they are.

The whole line about 'first civilization' is bullshit, because it relies on the very (white, Western, usually andro-centric) assumption that civilizations need to have a centralized structure with writing and stationary agriculture to be 'a thing.'

You can have multiple tales from multiple cultures which all exist at the same time.

If you want an example here, using a very easy to access example, Roman mythology exists at the same time Greek mythology exists (but only for a short period)...

...And Greek AND Roman mythology also overlaps with late Dynastic Egypt mythologies.

And all three exist concurrent to (and overlap with) early classical Judaism...

Then, later on, Roman mythology overlaps with the generation of Christian mythology.

And then, Christianity and Judaism, combined with the pagan religion inherent to the Arabian Peninsula, form Islam...but all three exist with one another.

Civilization is not always written down.

At this point in time, anthropology (and archaeology) have a tendency to avoid civilization as a term, as it comes with so much nastyicky weighting of 'there is only one true way' of culture.

And that is the culture /needs/ to have a written form of communication, /needs/ to have a centralized government, /needs/ to have a specialized structure which places craftsmen in odds with farmers, and /needs/ to be wholly subscribed to agriculture as a manner of providing food.

This is absolute bullshit as there's examples of 'civilized' cultures which we've got carbon dating on...which have no writing systems to speak of, which exist concurrently with cultures which were also 'civilized' and had writing systems.

(China versus the rest of the world comes to mind here, as we've got oracle bones present dating to around/before Mesopotamia was a 'thing'

...and then you've got the flourishing culture in Crete with writing, at the same time the Hohokam and Mollogon cultures in Arizona were building monumental canal systems without writing (or evidence of a centralized governmental system, but that's a whole 'nother conversation)

Etc, etc.)

We know a lot more about the Indus Valley and prehistoric culture/s than you think.

Mostly because 'prehistory' really only means 'before people wrote shit down'...which means that we've got flourishing civilization level cultures which were in prehistory all the way through until 1700.

...whilst places like China, the 'Middle East' (huge culture group there), certain areas of the Indian subcontinent, and the Mediterranean got history fairly fucking quickly.

And while, yes, the majority of the information is tied up in academia...we still know more than you seem to think.

Dr0, my advice is get to know your uni library quite well....or badger someone who's in uni to get you the articles and books you need.
The 000, 100, 200, and 600 sections should have most of what you need research wise.

Wikipedia will not cut it here, as you need specialist information. (And honestly, it's a degree course and a half of research)


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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 7 2015, 11:24 PM
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Let me amend here please:

I agree: "Civilization" is a flawed concept, and i was wrong to say i needed to look for the "First Civilization" (i use this as my source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ndRwqJYDM , at least the first part.). Culture or something like that would be better. as for the university level friend...yeah i have none.

I guess we start with prehistoric, then see which mythologies developed and co-existed at the same time.
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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 11 2015, 09:11 PM
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...So, anyone what in?
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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 13 2015, 12:41 AM
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Okay so no one is replying soo....

I've decided to start with Mesopotamian mythology as a whole (there are a lot of submythologies in the fertile crescent area, so i'm just amalgamating the hole area into one pantheon).

If anyone wants to contribute, just let me know here and I'll add you to the author list on the blog site so you can write.
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Mark D'Slade
 Posted: Mar 15 2015, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE (Dr0Shadow @ Mar 13 2015, 12:41 AM)
Okay so no one is replying soo....

I've decided to start with Mesopotamian mythology as a whole (there are a lot of submythologies in the fertile crescent area, so i'm just amalgamating the hole area into one pantheon).

If anyone wants to contribute, just let me know here and I'll add you to the author list on the blog site so you can write.



Hey man, it sounds good to me and if you think it would be advantageous and not 'cramp your style' I'd indulge in a contribution every so often. I've wanted to write with others here in the past, which hasn't come to anything, so it's only fair that I try and help with a similar project :)

You've probable committed by now to Mesopotamia, but as the token boomerang tossing Austr-alien (to my knowledge), I thought I might point out that the 'civilization' or mythology at least of the indigenous Australians goes back at least 40,000 years. Textured, creative and wonderfully mysterious though the old beliefs are, there isn't much to go on other than the odd ocher rock painting but THIS in particular might be of interest...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradshaw_rock_paintings

Just give me a PM with where you're at and how you would like to proceed. I've been looking for the right reason to flex my writing muscle again as it's been a few weeks <_<
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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Mar 15 2015, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (Mark D'Slade @ Mar 14 2015, 08:08 PM)



Hey man, it sounds good to me and if you think it would be advantageous and not 'cramp your style' I'd indulge in a contribution every so often. I've wanted to write with others here in the past, which hasn't come to anything, so it's only fair that I try and help with a similar project :)

You've probable committed by now to Mesopotamia, but as the token boomerang tossing Austr-alien (to my knowledge), I thought I might point out that the 'civilization' or mythology at least of the indigenous Australians goes back at least 40,000 years. Textured, creative and wonderfully mysterious though the old beliefs are, there isn't much to go on other than the odd ocher rock painting but THIS in particular might be of interest...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradshaw_rock_paintings

Just give me a PM with where you're at and how you would like to proceed. I've been looking for the right reason to flex my writing muscle again as it's been a few weeks  <_<


No problem. I appease the help/suggestions

The resion i disided to start with The Mess o' Potamia is because i just wanted to start. It i felt that i had more time (because for some resion my brain has put a limit of time on this), i would have gone with mutuble early mythologies at once (i.e. Astralea, North america, Africa (not Egypt), etc). As of now there are no stories in the blog, and only me working on it, so i could switch to that.

If you want to join the project, just tell me the blogger/google accout adress thingy so i can add you to the author's list.

EDIT: Sorry i didnt see that you wanted to be PMed. Sorry.
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Themanwhocreatedjazz
 Posted: Mar 28 2015, 12:32 PM
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This sounds like an interesting idea, although I'd probably not be the best person to have 'on board'


The Fears In Mythology - Looking at the Fears Mythological counterparts (sort of)
Behind The Bookshelf - Some short stories based upon my dreams.
My Father's Notebook - Some short stories about the Fear Mythos
Cutting Up The Fear Mythos - Applying the cut up technique to the Fear Mythos
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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Jul 1 2015, 02:09 AM
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OKAY I'VE ABANDONED THIS FOR FAR TO LONG!

SO I'VE DISIDED TO HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WRITING THINGS AT ONE. CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING INTRODUCTIONS. I've written one based on judeo-christian religion, but you guys can do others. put them in thread or contact me with you blogger account so I can put it up.
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Hexillith
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QUOTE (Dr0Shadow @ Jun 30 2015, 09:09 PM)
OKAY I'VE ABANDONED THIS FOR FAR TO LONG!

SO I'VE DISIDED TO HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WRITING THINGS AT ONE. CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING INTRODUCTIONS. I've written one based on judeo-christian religion, but you guys can do others. put them in thread or contact me with you blogger account so I can put it up.


I'll try to find the time to write one, but I've still got a ton of projects and I'm not going to be able to contribute regularly. So it may or may not happen.

I really, really like the idea of having multiple introductions.

EDIT: I'd suggest that you just let people make whatever connections between Fears and mythological characters that they want to, instead of asking for stories about specific cultures and trying to arrange them in chronological order. IMO that'd be an unnecessary hassle.


Unseelie - The place where giants rule

Journal of the days after - Torn from xer awful embrace

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin - Read it and weep

Our Cyclical Dance - Endlessly in on itself

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Dr0Shadow
 Posted: Jul 1 2015, 11:31 PM
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I will be chronologicaling them at a late date, but for now i'll be taking your advice.
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